GSX-S? or GST-S? what ever the new one is with the dual V-tech. My best friend's GF's sister just got a new one and his GF had it so we all took a little cruise...
Got my shit took 0-40, after that the gap stopped getting bigger and got smaller real fast(she also started out ahead)...then she slammed on the brakes. On the highway when I was in 3rd running 6K rpms it (acura) couldn't do anything to me, I think she wasn't pushing it totally cause she was getting real small in the mirror. But at highway speeds as long as I had good RPMS it couldn't do anything. She never passes me on the highway, although she did kick it up once when I slowed down but I was waiting for her . ;) :D

i guess you are talking about the rsx. was it the type-S? well it doesn't really matter, they are wimps torque wise, like 150ish even with 200+hp for the type-s. i havent seen one in person yet.

ya it was the type s. what all you know about it?

i live in Austin TX. I was pulling out onto the two lane access road of North Mopac after work on Tuesday. After merging into traffic pretty slowly I see what looked like a new celica barreling down on me. It turned out to be a new rsx-s. He passed me up at about 70MPH. I was going around 30 at the time in second. When I saw what kind of car it was I really wanted to see what it could do. Plus it kind of pissed me off that someone did a flyby on me without me paying attention.I punched it and caught up to him reasonably quick due to traffic. He saw me on his tail and tried to lose me in an S curve on the access road. I took a good line through the curve and came out of the last curve even with him at about 50 mph. There was then about a about a 1/4 mile straightaway before a redlight. My third gear pulled to about a car length on him and I shifted to fourth and walked him and shut it down around 100 just before the red light. He stayed at around 3 car lengths through the rest of the way. This car is pretty quick I have to admit. It looked brand new so I don't know if he had it broken in yet.
The driver looked pretty young and was definitely pissed. He made a quick uturn at the light without any of the normal pleasantrys. I'm sure he was off to add some quick horsepower with a sticker or wing or something.

Welcome to the Forum :) and what kind of car you have for comparison?

Also good job :D as I said my best friends's GF and a kind of EX of mine were in the Acura so you know how women are...you never know if they are giving it their all.

rsx... factory rice

"200hp sound system" ... could that be any more gay?

some of the guys on the dtm forum says the rsx-s could hang with our 330's...

my bad. I have a 98 M3 5speed 4door. The car is stock for the time being. That is why I am lurking aroung looking for upgrade ideas. The car is still relatively new to me. I bought it in December.

weighs about 2700 lbs and has 200hp from a 2 liter 4. Also has a 6speed gearbox. The numbers from car and driver were 0-60 in 6.2 and 1/4 in 14.8 (if memory serves). Should be a very quick car, but it is still front wheel drive. I wonder if they are going to do another type-r based on this car?

RobH
95 M3

http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/2001/August/200108_roadtest_acurarsx.xml

p.s. the 15.2 1/4 time they mention for the type-r is BS. the real number is mid-14's.

Originally posted by RobH
I wonder if they are going to do another type-r based on this car?


Yep it'll be here next year (or maybe the following year), they did so well with the Type-R Integra......plus with all the fake ricer Type-R crap out there, they HAD to have an RSX Type-R so then the ricer market would grow even more :rolleyes:

they would base the car on the S2000 rwd platform. Then they would have a car worth owning.

RobH
95 M3

Originally posted by RobH
they would base the car on the S2000 rwd platform. Then they would have a car worth owning.

RobH
95 M3

True, besides the NSX, the s2000 is really the only other Honda worth owning

The RSX-S is a disappointment. I was coming home from a movie one night in my 2001 330i and this kid was in his brand new RSX-S. (Maroon<<<ewwww). So i'm looking at him at the light....my girlfriend says, "Leave him alone!" "You know u can beat him" So i ignore her and rev up. He looks at me and inches forward....now i know it's on!!! Light turns green, we both get great launches...after that it was over.....60mph i had 1 1/2 car lengths on him....by 95mph...i had a little bit over 2 car lengths. I couldve beaten him much more but i decided to slow down because the speed limit on that road is 45 and I wasnt prepared to get a ticket for racing an RSX-S. These cars are ugly and it's a shame that they replaced it for the integra. The thing that made me want to race him was that I know they're six-speeds. COME ON!!! No car with 200hp should have 6 gears. A car shouldnt have 6 gears unless it has 300hp +.....except for the 540i 6-speed (hahaha).<<<< That's my opinion!!! Acura's should just stick to luxury....not their claimed speed!!!

ok...what happened to my post???

It appears to have cut your post off. Hm, try posting it again? There's been some wierd stuff happening on the board lately. Sorry

i seen a rsx type S run against a a M3. It dusted the M3 but it was shooting 100 shot NOS:eek: . you can see the fog come for the hood and hear the tire chrips but that thing is weak! 200hp with like 150 torque ain't nothing. plus the rsx type R is just going to be 220hp and around 180 torque. that's only bout 20-30 off the the type S. but all n all the good cars for cali gas prices cuz there fuel efficent. woo hoo imagine paying 2 bucks for gallon on your BMW outta state BMW owner's. my cousin M3 takes 50 bucks just to be full compare to my dad's tocoma Inline 6 which takes 20 bucks and more mileage even towing the boat!:eek:

I guess its time to buy a corvette for the 31mpg highway fuel economy...

Originally posted by Stockman
I guess its time to buy a corvette for the 31mpg highway fuel economy...

HAHAHA, yeah and then you can roll in your Hummer too eh? :D

What the hell is an Oxcart? It makes me laugh every time I read it.
Please clarify..:p

Greg

Badbad,
Ehhh What?:confused:

This is what I envision, not the jet...

Greg:p

What does LMAO stand for. Pardon the ignorance...:(

Hahaha, everybody's always wondering what OXcart is.....he told me awhile back, but he knows what he's talking about, something about it being code for something.......why don't you PM him and ask, he'll be glad to tell ya ;)

The elusive and mysterious Oxcart.

The cool stuff about JP-7 is that it doesnt ignite until about 400 degrees F, if my memeory serves. You can drop a match into it and it wont light. Nifty, eh?

Oxcart is the military code name for a top secret fighter jet......I believe it is related to the SR 71 Blackbird

Thats what it is

the A-12 actually. It was concived to intercept high altitutde bombers, i believe. As I remember it carried two or so missiles in an internal bay, and was pretty much the same platform as an SR-71 blackbird.

Originally posted by mpbmw318is
the A-12 actually. It was concived to intercept high altitutde bombers, i believe. As I remember it carried two or so missiles in an internal bay, and was pretty much the same platform as an SR-71 blackbird.

I didn't know liberals knew anything about military jets :eek2:

A guy here in Jacksonville dynoed a new RSX type -S and got 185 hp at the wheels. That is a lot of power for a 2600 lb car..... I am beginning to get scared.

I dynoed my stock 95 M3 at the same dyno earlier this year and got 211 at the rear wheels. If you take a 17% driveline loss into account that equates to 254 at the crank (254 x .83 = 210.82 rwhp) The RSX type-s makes 217 at the crank with a 15% driveline loss (fwd) (217 x .85 = 184.45 rwhp).

If you take the 217 hp and divide the RSX's 2650 lb weight by it you get 12.2 lb/hp. My M3 weighs 3080 (weighed it at Roebling Road) dividing this weight by 254hp equals 12.12 lb/hp.

This should mean that a well driven RSX would run comprable times to a stock M3 in the quarter. Now that is scary...

i have a tough time believing 185 at the wheels. my last car was a honda s2000. It dyno'd at 198 hp at the wheels, and it was rated at 240hp. To my knowledge, Honda is not in the game of undereporting hp, like BMW.

I bet 165 hp at the wheels is what you'll see.

I hate it when I'm right:

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?threadid=3907&highlight=dyno

In addition, who could possibly drive a car this nasty looking.

126lbs of tq.. WHAHAHAHA...

Originally posted by Stylin
126lbs of tq.. WHAHAHAHA...

LOL. Yeah, my car dyno'd at a full 100 more lb ft of tq.

Apologies to any RSX owners who read this, but all of that makes me feel really good that I bought a 328. I knew the car had style and substance and felt great, but I had no idea it was so much more powerful that most other compact performance cars.

No...
the funny part is..

it has about 30lbs of torque at 1900rpms

30 pounds of torque... WOW... what a piece of ... honda

here is the dyno that I saw...

Regardless of the tourque a well driven RSX type-s will beat (in Drag racing) most of the 3 series cars in this forum with the exception of the M3's

http://www.baytex.ab.ca/test/baseline.jpg

A well driven RSX will run a mid to fairly low 14 (I saw a 14.3) posted on a different board. That is faster then any three series with the exception of some modded 328/330's and most if not all of the m3's.

Everyone on this thread was making a big deal about the RSX's lack of torque despite the fact that in a light car that is geared well a lack of torque is not as significant.

I love my ///M3 but never underestimate the "ricey" cars that I come across on the street. (I guess this comes from beating lots of cars with my old GS-R and SE-R)

Its all a moot point anyway becasue 65% of street racing comes down to the drivers skill not the car

thats my $.02

Bring it.. ;)

Originally posted by pimpm3
A well driven RSX will run a mid to fairly low 14 (I saw a 14.3) posted on a different board. That is faster then any three series with the exception of some modded 328/330's and most if not all of the m3's.

Everyone on this thread was making a big deal about the RSX's lack of torque despite the fact that in a light car that is geared well a lack of torque is not as significant.

I love my ///M3 but never underestimate the "ricey" cars that I come across on the street. (I guess this comes from beating lots of cars with my old GS-R and SE-R)

Its all a moot point anyway becasue 65% of street racing comes down to the drivers skill not the car

thats my $.02

and I have seen new $19,000 camaros run high 12s in the 1/4 with absolutly no mods. And torque is important in any car.

Okay so this is a dumb question, but what does it look like when a car is like that and has so much more HP than torque? does it lag off the line and then get fast near redline? How can a car with less torque beat a car with more torque?

they pretty much "launch" at redline..

they have to have the gearing to support the crazy ass powerband...

and generally.. they wont win unless the car weighs alot less

Originally posted by Russell328is
Okay so this is a dumb question, but what does it look like when a car is like that and has so much more HP than torque? does it lag off the line and then get fast near redline? How can a car with less torque beat a car with more torque?


Hmm. Your question merits a whole discussion of hp vs. tq, but I'm a bit too intoxicated at the moment to discuss intelligently. Anyway, what really determines acceleration is rear wheel tq, which is a function of rpm and tq. The key is that a 'low' tq engine can be geared down to high rear wheel tq if it spins enough rpm, which many motors from honda do. My S2000 made great rear wheel tq b/c it could spin. . . 9000rpm redline, although it only made 156 ft lbs of tq.

At low rpm, it had horrible rear wheel tq, which made for bogging off the line. But if you launch the car at 6000 rpm and get just enough wheelspin such that the car hooked up while maintaing 6000 rpm, you could get incredible 1/4 mile times.

'Low' torque cars such as my Honda suffered in situations where you roll the throttle on from low rpms, such as 5-60mph tests done by the mags. Here, you don't get the benefit of a high rpm clutch drop and attendant wheelspin.

Originally posted by Russell328is
Okay so this is a dumb question, but what does it look like when a car is like that and has so much more HP than torque? does it lag off the line and then get fast near redline? How can a car with less torque beat a car with more torque?

The way smaller, high revving engines can produce HP is because horsepower is simply a function of torque and rpm. The Type S carries a low torque level to a high rpm which will equate to a decent peak HP figure. Peak number are only part of the equation though...area under the curve is very important as well. the Type S and the 328 have similar peak HP numbers, but the area under both the HP and Torque curves are very different, making the 328 a much more flexible engine. I don't buy the dyno plot posted by pimpm3. The torque curve looks way too flat to me. That's just my opinion. :D

Originally posted by Stockman
No...
the funny part is..

it has about 30lbs of torque at 1900rpms

30 pounds of torque... WOW... what a piece of ... honda

Is that enough torque to take off a lug nut on my OE M Contour rims?:confused:

I will start out by saying that I agree with everyone that a BMW inline 6 is more flexible then a high reving honda powerplant, thats why I bought an M3 and not an s2000. But the point that I am trying to make is that in a drag racing situation the lack of low end torque is not an issue.

If the car is in the correct gear it will be in the 6000 to 8000 RPM range where it has substantial power.

An integra that is well driven will beat alot of cars I know this for a fact. I ran my GS-R many times at the track and averaged mid 14's with a best of a a 14.48 at 95. My girlfriend drove her GS-R to a best of a 14.6, I got a 14.38 in my roommates GS-R. I know three other friends who owned GS-R's and ran between 14.28 and 14.6 These times were run in cars that had no mods with the exception of home made intakes. I also know three people who own type-r's 2 ran 14.1's and one got a 14.0 at 100, again with home made intakes. All these times were acheived in cars with less power and less torque then an RSX. What kind of times does a 325i run, a 328, a 330. I am basing my argument on numbers that I have seen with my own eyes not heresay.

The other dyno of an RSX that was posted in this thread doesn't make the same power as the plot that I was given but that could be because of the effect of weather conditions, the gear of the pull, the type of dyno, or differences in production tolerences. Notice the torque curve is flat just like the dyno that I posted.

Here is the link to the other dyno run for refrence...
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?threadid=3907&highlight=dyno (http://)

Here is a link to my friends spreadsheet of all the times he has ever run in his GS-R. The cars only mod is a Home Depot intake and advanced timing. The car has 174,000 miles.
http://www.jacksonville.net/~ermax/ (http://)

Here is the dyno plot that I posted earlier and my time slip
http://www.baytex.ab.ca/test/baseline.jpg [http://www.jacksonville.net/~ermax/cspgsr/CSPBest.JPG

Sorry I am an idiot ;) here are the working links

Here is my friends link
http://www.jacksonville.net/~ermax/

here is the dyno link
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?threadid=3907&highlight=dyno

You don't have to argue that with me I sold my GSR and bought an M3 remember ;)...but the original post was about drag type racing.

You are right about the GS-R it is not the overall performance car that the M3 is.

I have not driven the RSX enough to quantify its performance vs my M3. My other argument was based on numbers that are easily comparible not subjective oppinions so I won't go there.

I have driven a type-r alot and I would say that it is on the same level as my m3 performance wise. It is just as fast, brakes as good if not better and handles very well. Yes it is not as nice inside and does not get the respect that my car does at the valet line but it also cost 23,000 dollars not 38,000. In fact my friend is on the waiting list for a 2002 M3 because of these deficiencies but as far as performance goes, which is the point of this argument, the type-r is on par with my 95 m3

but audi s4's seem to be tearing everyone up. :confused:

racing series.

audi's best finish this year is 32nd at sears point I would hardly consider that tearing it up.

First of all I was talking about my friends stock type-r with an intake vs. my stock 95 M3 with an intake not race cars.

But if you want to argue about that...

Two out of the three leading drivers (Klienburg 1st, and Plumb 3rd) drive type-r's. The type-r's have finished first three times out of seven races and second twice.

Yes the 328's have a better record with four wins out of the seven races and two second place finishes but I would hardly say that they are "absolutely mortally destroying" anything.... Except the maybe audi's ;)

BMW has 55 manufacturers points and acura has 44.


95 daytona Violet ///M3

This is better...:) constructive flaming.. ;)

Actually, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. . . I just threw out the s4 comment b/c someone commented on the S4 board how the S4 have been dominating.

I don't get speedvision, shitty cable service here.

Curious though, how well do S4's handle on the track? While none showed up at the last track event (the turbo guys stay out of the heat), I expect them in droves this fall/winter.

Okay, but the question is, if two cars make ~200 hp except one has more torque earlier, won't the cars run even in the end, even though the torquier car may take off faster? What am I missing here?

Or is the point just what someone said earlier about onramps and valet parking lots: that it's best to get the power when it matters, since you don't often have a chance to run to 80mph while trying to pass someone off the line at a stop light.

Originally posted by Stockman
rsx... factory rice

"200hp sound system" ... could that be any more gay?
dude what up with rice thing? evrey japanise is rice in your defenition?